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Should the standalone and domain directory go in server directory as before

Jim Tyrrell
Team,

Reading through the docs and descriptions of the two folders standalone and domain (they were separated alphabetically by a modules directory), wondering out loud to facilitate ease of transition use, does it make sense to bundle those in a server directory?

Just a question?  Apologize if if has already been discussed!!!

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Re: Should the standalone and domain directory go in server directory as before

Brian Stansberry
In the docs, we use the term "Server" to refer to a process that's
handling regular EE-ish requests, i.e. in AS < 7 what was an application
server instance.

When you run domain.sh you're launching 0..n of those plus the
controller processes, and those processes write to the domain dir. The
scope of what's in that dir is greater than "server".

On 8/19/11 3:02 PM, Jim Tyrrell wrote:

> Team,
>
> Reading through the docs and descriptions of the two folders standalone
> and domain (they were separated alphabetically by a modules directory),
> wondering out loud to facilitate ease of transition use, does it make
> sense to bundle those in a server directory?
>
> Just a question? Apologize if if has already been discussed!!!
>
> Jim Tyrrell
> Principal JBoss Solutions Architect
>
> Did you see RHT on Cramer?
> http://www.cnbc.com/id/39401056
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Re: Should the standalone and domain directory go in server directory as before

Jim Tyrrell
Brian,

Okay so does another name besides "server" make sense?

I know domain and standalone have very different features, but now that I have been reading even more of the documents, to me these two things are loosely equal and some consideration would be made for putting them into the same directory for grouping purposes.  I have said my piece, just food for thought, and I think a good question to ask once everyone is back at this on Monday.

Just a late Friday muse.

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On Aug 19, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Brian Stansberry wrote:

In the docs, we use the term "Server" to refer to a process that's
handling regular EE-ish requests, i.e. in AS < 7 what was an application
server instance.

When you run domain.sh you're launching 0..n of those plus the
controller processes, and those processes write to the domain dir. The
scope of what's in that dir is greater than "server".

On 8/19/11 3:02 PM, Jim Tyrrell wrote:
Team,

Reading through the docs and descriptions of the two folders standalone
and domain (they were separated alphabetically by a modules directory),
wondering out loud to facilitate ease of transition use, does it make
sense to bundle those in a server directory?

Just a question? Apologize if if has already been discussed!!!

Jim Tyrrell
Principal JBoss Solutions Architect

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http://www.cnbc.com/id/39401056








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Re: Should the standalone and domain directory go in server directory as before

Darran Lofthouse
I believe the two are very different so the standalone/domain difference
does not map onto the concept of different servers as in AS < 7.

In previous AS releases each of the 'servers' was always started by the
same AS process either JMX or MC backed - the selected 'server' was then
essentially the configuration to bootstrap that instance, these
configurations could then be copied to create a new configurations.

In AS7 the multiple configurations are achieved by having multiple files
in the standalone/configuration and domain/configuration folders.

I think any attempt to try and artificially group these in a parent
folder is just going to be potential for more confusion leading end
users to believe these folders are the configurations as we had before.

Regards,
Darran Lofthouse.

On 08/19/2011 10:09 PM, Jim Tyrrell wrote:

> Brian,
>
> Okay so does another name besides "server" make sense?
>
> I know domain and standalone have very different features, but now that
> I have been reading even more of the documents, to me these two things
> are loosely equal and some consideration would be made for putting them
> into the same directory for grouping purposes. I have said my piece,
> just food for thought, and I think a good question to ask once everyone
> is back at this on Monday.
>
> Just a late Friday muse.
>
> Jim Tyrrell
> Principal JBoss Solutions Architect
>
> Did you see RHT on Cramer?
> http://www.cnbc.com/id/39401056
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Brian Stansberry wrote:
>
>> In the docs, we use the term "Server" to refer to a process that's
>> handling regular EE-ish requests, i.e. in AS < 7 what was an application
>> server instance.
>>
>> When you run domain.sh you're launching 0..n of those plus the
>> controller processes, and those processes write to the domain dir. The
>> scope of what's in that dir is greater than "server".
>>
>> On 8/19/11 3:02 PM, Jim Tyrrell wrote:
>>> Team,
>>>
>>> Reading through the docs and descriptions of the two folders standalone
>>> and domain (they were separated alphabetically by a modules directory),
>>> wondering out loud to facilitate ease of transition use, does it make
>>> sense to bundle those in a server directory?
>>>
>>> Just a question? Apologize if if has already been discussed!!!
>>>
>>> Jim Tyrrell
>>> Principal JBoss Solutions Architect
>>>
>>> Did you see RHT on Cramer?
>>> http://www.cnbc.com/id/39401056
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Should the standalone and domain directory go in server directory as before

Jim Tyrrell
Darran,

Okay if I agree with what you said, and I think I do, can someone help out with the verbiage here then:

both Domain and Standalone read exactly the same with the definition, and if they are really different I would expect these words to be vastly different, if not then my prior argument still stands and they should be grouped.  ;)  Ducks and runs

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On Aug 22, 2011, at 4:21 AM, Darran Lofthouse wrote:

I believe the two are very different so the standalone/domain difference
does not map onto the concept of different servers as in AS < 7.

In previous AS releases each of the 'servers' was always started by the
same AS process either JMX or MC backed - the selected 'server' was then
essentially the configuration to bootstrap that instance, these
configurations could then be copied to create a new configurations.

In AS7 the multiple configurations are achieved by having multiple files
in the standalone/configuration and domain/configuration folders.

I think any attempt to try and artificially group these in a parent
folder is just going to be potential for more confusion leading end
users to believe these folders are the configurations as we had before.

Regards,
Darran Lofthouse.

On 08/19/2011 10:09 PM, Jim Tyrrell wrote:
Brian,

Okay so does another name besides "server" make sense?

I know domain and standalone have very different features, but now that
I have been reading even more of the documents, to me these two things
are loosely equal and some consideration would be made for putting them
into the same directory for grouping purposes. I have said my piece,
just food for thought, and I think a good question to ask once everyone
is back at this on Monday.

Just a late Friday muse.

Jim Tyrrell
Principal JBoss Solutions Architect

Did you see RHT on Cramer?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/39401056






On Aug 19, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Brian Stansberry wrote:

In the docs, we use the term "Server" to refer to a process that's
handling regular EE-ish requests, i.e. in AS < 7 what was an application
server instance.

When you run domain.sh you're launching 0..n of those plus the
controller processes, and those processes write to the domain dir. The
scope of what's in that dir is greater than "server".

On 8/19/11 3:02 PM, Jim Tyrrell wrote:
Team,

Reading through the docs and descriptions of the two folders standalone
and domain (they were separated alphabetically by a modules directory),
wondering out loud to facilitate ease of transition use, does it make
sense to bundle those in a server directory?

Just a question? Apologize if if has already been discussed!!!

Jim Tyrrell
Principal JBoss Solutions Architect

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http://www.cnbc.com/id/39401056








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Re: Should the standalone and domain directory go in server directory as before

Brian Stansberry
The distinction is one talks about "runs in domain mode" and one is
"runs in standalone mode". The overall flow of the docs needs to make it
clear to the reader what that distinction is. If the doc writers think
it's better to include a short form of that explanation here, that's fine.

Including another grouping level in the hierarchy isn't going to resolve
that issue; the significance of the "domain" and "standalone" dirs will
still need to be explained.

On 8/22/11 9:16 AM, Jim Tyrrell wrote:

> Darran,
>
> Okay if I agree with what you said, and I think I do, can someone help
> out with the verbiage here then:
> http://documentation-stage.bne.redhat.com/docs/en-US/JBoss_Enterprise_Application_Platform/6/html/Alpha_Documentation/TopicID3371.html
>
> both Domain and Standalone read exactly the same with the definition,
> and if they are really different I would expect these words to be vastly
> different, if not then my prior argument still stands and they should be
> grouped. ;) Ducks and runs
>
> Jim Tyrrell
> Principal JBoss Solutions Architect
>
> Did you see RHT on Cramer?
> http://www.cnbc.com/id/39401056
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 22, 2011, at 4:21 AM, Darran Lofthouse wrote:
>
>> I believe the two are very different so the standalone/domain difference
>> does not map onto the concept of different servers as in AS < 7.
>>
>> In previous AS releases each of the 'servers' was always started by the
>> same AS process either JMX or MC backed - the selected 'server' was then
>> essentially the configuration to bootstrap that instance, these
>> configurations could then be copied to create a new configurations.
>>
>> In AS7 the multiple configurations are achieved by having multiple files
>> in the standalone/configuration and domain/configuration folders.
>>
>> I think any attempt to try and artificially group these in a parent
>> folder is just going to be potential for more confusion leading end
>> users to believe these folders are the configurations as we had before.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Darran Lofthouse.
>>
>> On 08/19/2011 10:09 PM, Jim Tyrrell wrote:
>>> Brian,
>>>
>>> Okay so does another name besides "server" make sense?
>>>
>>> I know domain and standalone have very different features, but now that
>>> I have been reading even more of the documents, to me these two things
>>> are loosely equal and some consideration would be made for putting them
>>> into the same directory for grouping purposes. I have said my piece,
>>> just food for thought, and I think a good question to ask once everyone
>>> is back at this on Monday.
>>>
>>> Just a late Friday muse.
>>>
>>> Jim Tyrrell
>>> Principal JBoss Solutions Architect
>>>
>>> Did you see RHT on Cramer?
>>> http://www.cnbc.com/id/39401056
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 19, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Brian Stansberry wrote:
>>>
>>>> In the docs, we use the term "Server" to refer to a process that's
>>>> handling regular EE-ish requests, i.e. in AS < 7 what was an application
>>>> server instance.
>>>>
>>>> When you run domain.sh you're launching 0..n of those plus the
>>>> controller processes, and those processes write to the domain dir. The
>>>> scope of what's in that dir is greater than "server".
>>>>
>>>> On 8/19/11 3:02 PM, Jim Tyrrell wrote:
>>>>> Team,
>>>>>
>>>>> Reading through the docs and descriptions of the two folders standalone
>>>>> and domain (they were separated alphabetically by a modules directory),
>>>>> wondering out loud to facilitate ease of transition use, does it make
>>>>> sense to bundle those in a server directory?
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a question? Apologize if if has already been discussed!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Tyrrell
>>>>> Principal JBoss Solutions Architect
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you see RHT on Cramer?
>>>>> http://www.cnbc.com/id/39401056
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
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